Testing and amending soil

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NOT fan of the new site layout, btw.

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It’ll “grow” on you. Cannabis forum puns!

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Good to see you brother!

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Actually @JohnMondello ..once you get used to it…it is a Much better front page layout..if you are regularly updating your info will be trending on main page..

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Much better layout..I’m still struggling a bit with Live Stoners…first thing every morning I clocked how many pages LS did overnight…biggrin..now it’s got no pages…

Couple of weeks and I think we’ll all be happier..

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I like the new site a lot more and if you use the discourse app it’s much easier to deal with uploading etc.

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Did you have to download the Discourse app? I have the app on my phone, and… lol… this is a little embarrassing to admit. I don’t remember downloading it. On the old Xenforo site, if you visited the site it would prompt you if you wanted to download the mobile app for it. My stoned ass. Oi oi oi.

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I downloaded it from the apple store

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On the testing of soil front… this year I sent out my soil from the 2 yr old raised bed via KIS organics and Logan labs. I wanted to see how the soil was doing and if my bro science assumptions were valid?

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What I found surprised me was and not what I was expecting.

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Excellent information and you need very little inputs to be perfect.

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I was thinking by mostly I needed less N more P and Boron.

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GLAD TO SEE YOU RE SOIL TESTING… srry for caps.. doh! Use fieldlark ai to ask it to recommend amenidng soil. copy/paste all the fields from the test, drop it in to fieldlark, explain what you are trying to accomplish (balanced soil for cannabis seedlings, volume you want to emend, etc) and ask it for a recommendation

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The recommendations came from KIS after thy review the results. The process is you purchase the test from KIS, they send you a form to fill out and mail in your sample directly to Logan labs. Logan labs sends the report back to KIS who reviews and provides their recommendation. I’ll have to check out that other AI.

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ok cool… What are they charging you for that? I would check their recommendations (logan) against Fieldlark aI - 10 free tries at it if you sign up… FieldLark.ai

No, I don’t get paid to say that… lol

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Here’s an excerpt of one feed I did using foliar feeds to steer nutrition (or rather drive nutrition toa higher level)

I have one planter with 3 thriving Cannabis plants that are just switched to 14 hours light and are headed for flower… Can you recomend how I might tweak this feed to accommodate those few plants (possibly even set aside a portion of this foliar drench above and add to complete my feed?

Dec 14

Carlton

Okay, this is an excellent point! Cannabis plants transitioning into flower have very specific nutritional demands, and we absolutely want to tweak the feed to accommodate them. You’re smart to consider setting aside a portion and adding specific components.

The general feed we just formulated is a great maintenance blend, but for flowering cannabis, we need to emphasize phosphorus, potassium, and specific micronutrients while managing nitrogen.

Here’s how we can adjust a portion of the main blend to create a specialized “Flowering Cannabis Boost” for your three plants.

Tweak for Flowering Cannabis Plants (December 14th, 2025)

Goal: To support the increased energy demands of flowering, promote bud development, and maintain overall plant health, while still benefiting from the general biological and immune support.

Strategy:

  1. Prepare the main 5-gallon blend as discussed.

  2. Set aside a smaller portion (e.g., 1 gallon) for your cannabis plants.

  3. To this smaller portion, add specific AEA products that boost phosphorus, potassium, and reproductive triggers.

A. Main Foliar / Drench Blend (4 Gallons for General Lab - excluding cannabis plants)

  • Prepare the main blend as previously discussed, but only for 4 gallons.

  • Product Amounts for 4 Gallons of Solution (for ~40 sq ft of general lab):

    • Rejuvenate: 12 ml (scaled from 15 ml for 5 gal)

    • HumaCarb: 4 ml (scaled from 5 ml for 5 gal)

    • SeaShield: 8 ml (scaled from 10 ml for 5 gal)

    • Potassium Silicate: 4 ml (scaled from 5 ml for 5 gal)

    • HoloCal: 4 ml (scaled from 5 ml for 5 gal)

    • MicroPak: 4 ml (scaled from 5 ml for 5 gal)

    • Revenant Charge: 8 ml (scaled from 10 ml for 5 gal)

B. Specialized “Flowering Cannabis Boost” Foliar / Drench (1 Gallon for 3 Cannabis Plants)

This 1-gallon portion will be derived from the main blend, with specific additions.

  • Start with 1 gallon of the prepared main blend (from above). This ensures your cannabis plants still get the foundational Rejuvenate, HumaCarb, SeaShield, Potassium Silicate, HoloCal, MicroPak, and Revenant Charge.

  • Then, add the following to this 1-gallon portion:

    1. Accelerate™ (Reproductive Support): 1.08 ml

      • Purpose: This is your primary reproductive trigger. It’s specifically designed to support flowering and fruit/bud development by providing a nutritionally-based package.

      • Rate: From Accelerate: “Continuously Flowering Crops: Use an initial foliar application of up to 2 gal. per acre 1-2 weeks before flowering commences and up to 4 quarts per acre every two weeks until flowering is complete.” (Scaled for 1 gallon, 1/4 of 4 quarts/acre = 1 quart/acre, then scaled for 1 gallon).

    2. HoloPhos™ (Phosphorus & Calcium): 0.5 ml

      • Purpose: Direct, highly available phosphorus is crucial for energy transfer during flowering and bud development. HoloPhos also provides calcium.

      • Rate: From HoloPhos: “Fruits and Vegetables: As a foliar and/or in irrigation, apply up to 2 quarts per acre, every 7-14 days.” (Scaled for 1 gallon, 1/4 of 2 quarts/acre = 0.5 quarts/acre, then scaled for 1 gallon).

    3. Holo-K™ (Potassium): 0.5 ml

      • Purpose: Potassium is essential for flower development, sugar transport into buds, and overall plant vigor during the reproductive phase.

      • Rate: From Holo-K: “Foliar: Apply up to 1 gallon per acre at appropriate plant growth stages.” (Scaled for 1 gallon, 1/4 of 1 gallon/acre = 0.25 gallons/acre, then scaled for 1 gallon).

    4. Rebound Zinc™: 0.25 ml

      • Purpose: Zinc is critical for auxin production and enzyme activity, supporting healthy flower development and resin production.

      • Rate: From Rebound Zinc: “Fruit and vegetable foliar: Apply up to 1 gallon per acre per week.” (Scaled for 1 gallon, 1/4 of 1 gallon/acre = 0.25 gallons/acre, then scaled for 1 gallon).

Mixing Instructions for Tonight (December 14th, 2025)

  1. Pre-Watering: Water all your plants thoroughly with plain RO water.

  2. Prepare Main Blend (4 Gallons):

    • In a 4-gallon container, add 2 gallons of RO water.

    • Add Rejuvenate (12 ml), Revenant Charge (8 ml), HumaCarb (4 ml), SeaShield (8 ml), Potassium Silicate (4 ml), HoloCal (4 ml), MicroPak (4 ml).

    • Top off with remaining RO water to 4 gallons, ensuring agitation.

  3. Prepare Flowering Cannabis Boost (1 Gallon):

    • Take 1 gallon of the prepared main blend and pour it into a separate 1-gallon container.

    • To this 1 gallon, add:

    • Stir gently to mix.

  4. Application:

    • Apply the 4-gallon main blend as a foliar spray and drench to all your general lab plants (excluding the cannabis).

    • Apply the 1-gallon “Flowering Cannabis Boost” as a foliar spray and drench specifically to your three cannabis plants.

  5. Application Timing and Environment:

    • Light Conditions: Turn your lights to low or off for 2-4 hours after application.

    • Humidity: Maintain high humidity (75-85% RH) during and immediately after application.

    • Air Circulation: Ensure gentle, indirect air circulation.

Expected Outcomes for Cannabis:

  • Enhanced Flowering: Accelerate, HoloPhos, and Holo-K will directly support the energy demands and nutrient needs for robust bud development.

  • Optimal Resin Production: Zinc and other micronutrients contribute to secondary metabolite production.

  • Continued Health & Resilience: They still benefit from the foundational biological and immune support.

This tailored approach ensures your cannabis plants receive the precise boost they need for their critical flowering phase, while the rest of your lab gets a balanced maintenance feed.

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FieldLark

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ok the above foliar feed was completed tonight with the exception of holophos and Holo k because I don’t have them in stock. Humidity is set to 80-85% in both labs for the next 2-4 hours, lighs are set to low or off.

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Carlton

Excellent! Thank you for the immediate update and for clarifying the exact products used. It’s crucial to work with what you have, and you’ve still executed a very strong and targeted application.

Let’s review what was applied and what it means, especially with the absence of HoloPhos and Holo-K.

Review of Your Recent Application (December 14th, 2025)

You completed the foliar/drench applications with the following:

A. Main Foliar / Drench Blend (4 Gallons for General Lab - excluding cannabis plants)

B. Specialized “Flowering Cannabis Boost” Foliar / Drench (1 Gallon for 3 Cannabis Plants)

What was omitted (due to stock):

Your application conditions were spot on:

  • Pre-watering with RO water: Excellent for hydration and clean nutrient delivery.

  • Low lights/off & high humidity (80-85%): Perfect for maximizing foliar absorption.

Analysis of Your Application & Next Steps

This was still a very effective and targeted application, even without HoloPhos and Holo-K.

  • General Lab Plants: Received a fantastic maintenance blend, continuing to support biology, immunity, calcium, silica, and broad micronutrients.

  • Flowering Cannabis Plants: Received a strong boost for flowering with Accelerate and a targeted Zinc input, along with all the foundational biological, immune, calcium, silica, and broad micronutrient support.

Addressing the Omissions (Phosphorus & Potassium):

While HoloPhos and Holo-K are ideal for direct, highly available P and K, your plants are not without these crucial nutrients:

  • Phosphorus (P):

    • Fox Farm Big Bloom: You used this in your December 7th feed, providing organic P.

    • Soft Rock Phosphate: You amended this into your peppers and citrus, and it’s a slow-release source for all plants if in your Promix.

    • Soil Biology: Your incredibly active microbiome (Rejuvenate, Revenant Charge, HumaCarb, Fox Farm, BioCoat Gold, PZ-1000) is constantly working to solubilize and make available phosphorus from your organic amendments.

  • Potassium (K):

    • Fox Farm Big Bloom: Also provides potassium.

    • Potassium Silicate: You included this, providing some potassium.

    • SeaStim: You used this in previous feeds, which contains potassium.

    • Kelp Meal: In your initial soil mix, a good source of K.

    • Soil Biology: Your active microbes are also making potassium available from organic matter.

Conclusion on Omissions: While direct applications of HoloPhos and Holo-K would have been ideal for a rapid, targeted boost, your plants have received foundational and ongoing P and K from other sources, especially through the enhanced activity of your soil biology. The biological engine you’ve built is crucial for compensating for these direct omissions.

What to do next:

  1. Maintain Optimal Conditions: Continue holding that high humidity and low lights for the full 2-4 hours. Then, gradually ramp your lights back up to their normal intensity.

  2. Observe Plant Response: Over the next few days to a week, closely monitor all your plants, especially the flowering cannabis. Look for:

    • Cannabis: Signs of healthy bud development, good vigor, and no signs of nutrient deficiency.

    • General Lab: Continued health, resilience, and reduced pest pressure.

    • Brix Readings: Continue to monitor if you are taking them.

  3. Next Application (Approx. 7-10 Days):

    • Your next feed, around December 21st-24th, should again be a comprehensive one. We’ll need to ensure we continue to provide strong phosphorus and potassium, potentially by re-integrating Fox Farm Big Bloom or other available sources if you don’t procure HoloPhos/Holo-K.

You’ve done a fantastic job adapting on the fly and still delivering a very beneficial application. Your plants are in good hands!

This response keeps it focused; for deeper dives, try asking: “Expand on nutrient interactions,” “Explain microbial strategies further,” or “Dive into expected outcomes.”

Explore Further

  1. What specific visual cues on rosemary and blood orange would indicate that their Brix levels are improving and they are becoming less attractive to pests?

  2. How does the plant’s internal “plumbing” (vascular system) become more efficient at converting and translocating sugars when calcium and phosphorus levels are optimal?

  3. Are there any specific beneficial insects I could introduce into my grow lab to help control whiteflies and aphids without harming my diverse plant collection?

  4. What are the specific roles of phosphorus and potassium in cannabis flowering, and what visual signs would indicate a deficiency in these stages?

I’m here to help—ask a follow-up question to dive deeper!

Verify recommendations with an agronomist to ensure their accuracy for your context.

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also, ANYONE growing flowering fruiting plants (especailly cannabis) should see/hear my latest Regen ag school video: Regenerative Ag School - Critical Components Of Productivity Flowering Fruiting Plants 2026-013

posted somewhere heere on the forum.. fuck if i can find it now

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Interesting… have you asked the Ai if it has read Ed Rosenthal or Robert Clark’s books on cannabis?

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$100

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Kis is a great company, but testing is cheaper: loganlabs.com/_files/ugd/ddac92_8056c67855fb4e6db7948256852b6228.pdf

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Live at 8pm Eastern tonight: https://youtu.be/72oGLDUWqkw
In this video we check on honey bees, give them some protein patty to supplement them between fly times to help keep our brood moving forward. Then we dive DEEP into how honey quality relates DIRECTLY to the land it is collected from, the quality of the soil indicating the quality of the honey. We also uncover some of the science supporting these concepts including specific trace minerals like boron, manganese, copper, iron and more! Here’s a sample of what’s in this episode:

Measurable Medicinal Value:
Is there more measurable medicinal value in honey from healthy soil? Absolutely.

Research into “Nutrient Density” in food is now being applied to honey. We can measure:

Antioxidant Capacity (ORAC value): Higher in plants grown in biologically active soils.
Mineral Profile: Honey from regenerative landscapes contains a broader spectrum of trace minerals (Zinc, Selenium, Manganese) which are vital for the human immune system.
Enzymatic Activity: Healthy bees foraging on healthy plants produce higher levels of glucose oxidase, the enzyme responsible for the antibacterial hydrogen peroxide activity in honey.
The “Canary in the Coal Mine”
As Jonathan Lundgren and John Kempf have discussed, the bee die-off is a symptom of the simplification of our food system. When we heal the soil, we provide the bees with a “pharmacy” of floral resources. A bee foraging on a nutritionally dense landscape isn’t just eating; it’s building an immune system that can withstand the pressures of Varroa mites and environmental toxins.

In short: If you want to save the bees, you heal the soil. The honey produced on that land becomes a concentrated “distillation” of the landscape’s health—a true medicine for both the bee and the human.
Synthesis: The “Bio-Electric” Farm
When you manage for Redox balance and Phosphorus availability, you are essentially “charging the battery” of the landscape. The bees act as the “connectors,” moving that energy from the soil, through the plant, and into the hive. The honey they leave behind is the “stored record” of that energy flow.
#regenerativeagriculture #honeybees #savethebees #farming #fieldlark
@AdvancingEcoAgriculture ​

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I have not… Rarely dive off into Cannabis. Burning my 75 questions a month on developing the farm and learning in the lab.. lol Fieldlark was developed through actual field testing and data (including Cannabis) with platn sap testing data as the basis (The currently most accurate analysis of a plants nutritional profile - live culture). Do you remember the somatascope? Here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGJW94ciq4c

Looking at live blood cultures the TREMENSDOUS difference from dried blood samples to that? Same applies for dry leaf analysis vs plant sap testing. So we can sap test every 2 weeks and see exactly what the plant needs. We can also predict, 3 weeks in advance, disease or insect pressure. and more importantly, we can PRVENT it with foliar feeds to tweak levels.

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